Nitrite and Bacon
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Thanks for that Bob, will do. I just measured a level teaspoon of cure #1 and it came out to 6.5 grams, quite a difference from dumping two tablespoons of cure #1 into a rub for a 12.5lb. slab of belly. Never too old to learn. RAY
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For all those worried about nitrosamines in cured meats like Bacon....just don't burn it!!
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fs ... y/ct_index
A bacon cooking study, "Effect of Frying and Other Cooking Conditions on Nitrosopyrrolidine Formation in Bacon" (Journal of Science, Vol. 39, pages 314-316), showed no evidence of nitrosamines in bacon fried at 210 °F for 10 minutes (raw), 210 °F for 15 minutes (medium well), 275 °F for 10 minutes (very light), or 275 °F for 30 minutes (medium well). But when bacon was fried at 350 °F for 6 minutes (medium well), 400 °F for 4 minutes (medium well), or 400 °F for 10 minutes (burned), some nitrosamines were found. Thus, well-done or burned bacon is potentially more hazardous than less well-done bacon. Also, bacon cooked by a microwave has less nitrosamine than fried
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fs ... y/ct_index
A bacon cooking study, "Effect of Frying and Other Cooking Conditions on Nitrosopyrrolidine Formation in Bacon" (Journal of Science, Vol. 39, pages 314-316), showed no evidence of nitrosamines in bacon fried at 210 °F for 10 minutes (raw), 210 °F for 15 minutes (medium well), 275 °F for 10 minutes (very light), or 275 °F for 30 minutes (medium well). But when bacon was fried at 350 °F for 6 minutes (medium well), 400 °F for 4 minutes (medium well), or 400 °F for 10 minutes (burned), some nitrosamines were found. Thus, well-done or burned bacon is potentially more hazardous than less well-done bacon. Also, bacon cooked by a microwave has less nitrosamine than fried
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So....
In practice, I should use 120 ppm to make bacon (dry rub, 2-2.5% salt)?
Does that apply to skin on belly pork as well, or should it be reduced in that case?
I am intending on cold smoking (cool smoking at around 20-25 oC) after curing.
I am not sure if this is the same article that has been referred to above. I found it quite usefull so am sharing the link: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/meat-a ... 0525354148
In practice, I should use 120 ppm to make bacon (dry rub, 2-2.5% salt)?
Does that apply to skin on belly pork as well, or should it be reduced in that case?
I am intending on cold smoking (cool smoking at around 20-25 oC) after curing.
I am not sure if this is the same article that has been referred to above. I found it quite usefull so am sharing the link: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/meat-a ... 0525354148
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Yes, 120 ppm is the recommended maximum in going amount for bacon using a dry rub (equilibrium cure)sambal badjak wrote:In practice, I should use 120 ppm to make bacon (dry rub, 2-2.5% salt)?
Does that apply to skin on belly pork as well, or should it be reduced in that case?
As the skin does not absorb nitrates the amount should be reduced 10%.
The US nitrate regs can be found here: https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/conne ... OD=AJPERES
Thank you for the link!
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Thanks Bob.
I will go with the 110 ppm
Kjjek:
I have made bacon with 3.5% salt, then reduced to 3% salt and it was way too salty for me (even after rinsing/soaking).
Hence the further reduction.
I am a low salt eater. I prefer pepper and other spices and herbs instead.
I will go with the 110 ppm
Kjjek:
I have made bacon with 3.5% salt, then reduced to 3% salt and it was way too salty for me (even after rinsing/soaking).
Hence the further reduction.
I am a low salt eater. I prefer pepper and other spices and herbs instead.
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Am i the only one seeing the elephant in the room?
For 1000gram/1kg 3% salt is 30 grams
The conversion between grams and ounces are off to. 150gram = 5.29oz
For sugar the numbers are wrong also.
1.5% would be 15gram~.53oz
The numbers are roughly correct for a 5000gram/5kg piece of meat and that is probably why the nitrite numbers are way off?
Heres a little helper i use often:
https://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/
Percent is 1/100redzed wrote:In my post above I provided a link to Stan's recipe for dry cured bacon:
Ingredients per 1000g (1 kg) of meat
salt 150 g (3%) 4.8 oz.
sugar 68 g (1.5%) 2.4 oz.
Cure #1 7.8 g 0.02 oz.
For 1000gram/1kg 3% salt is 30 grams
The conversion between grams and ounces are off to. 150gram = 5.29oz
For sugar the numbers are wrong also.
1.5% would be 15gram~.53oz
The numbers are roughly correct for a 5000gram/5kg piece of meat and that is probably why the nitrite numbers are way off?
Heres a little helper i use often:
https://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/
Re: Nitrite and Bacon
I'm curing 7kg porkbelly to make bacon. Bought prague powder (asked the guy at the store and he said it's #1). But after some research..I found that it's actually #2... do I have to throw the meat away now?
Dry rub
Salt (weight of belly x 0.02)
pepper (weight x 0.02)
Brown sugar (weight x 0.01)
Curing salt (weight x 0.002)
Rub everything on bellies and put in ziplock bag in refrigerator for 7days. Flip them once a day. Wash everything off on day 7 and hot smoke on day 8 until int temp is 140f.
What will happen if eat it?
Any advice would be helpful
Dry rub
Salt (weight of belly x 0.02)
pepper (weight x 0.02)
Brown sugar (weight x 0.01)
Curing salt (weight x 0.002)
Rub everything on bellies and put in ziplock bag in refrigerator for 7days. Flip them once a day. Wash everything off on day 7 and hot smoke on day 8 until int temp is 140f.
What will happen if eat it?
Any advice would be helpful
Re: Nitrite and Bacon
The Nitrate in the cure #2 will break down into nitrite over time. Cure #1 contains about 6.25% nitrite, and cure #2 contains 6.25% nitrite and 4% nitrate. So, your bacon is somewhat overdosed and contains a little over 1.6 times as much nitrate/nitrite.
It won't kill you or make you sick if you eat it; it's just that there is a little more than normal. Eat two-thirds the amount, and you consume as much as you would with normal bacon.
Nitrate is less toxic than nitrite. If you eat your bacon straight away (in moderate amounts), you'll be fine. If you can't eat it all at once, freeze the remainder and consume that straight after defrosting. That way, the nitrate will still be nitrate instead of having broken down into nitrite.
But you really don't have to throw your meat away. Just make sure to use the correct cure next time.
Michi.