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Sourcing starter cultures in Canada

Last post by redzed « Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:17
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by Shuswap » Fri Dec 05, 2014 05:38
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Great point Bob. I used the T-SPX culture and the center was a bit soft even after a weight loss of 38%. I will try the F-RM-52 if I make more pepperoni
Interesting! I've only seen the T-SPX culture on the Umai site, which means finding a different suppier for the F-RM-52 which would be hard to...

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OK, there actually is a supplier/seller of Bactoferm starter cultures in Canada, a Quebec company called Testek. Little consolation however as their prices are obscenely expensive.
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:17
Bio Cultures by Chr. Hansen

Last post by Bob K « Fri Apr 29, 2016 15:54
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by Chuckwagon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 07:53
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Vol. 1 Fermented sausages with Chr. Hansen starter cultures

Vol. 2 Fermented sausages with Chr. Hansen surface cultures
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vol. 3 Dry-cured meat products with Chr. Hansen starter cultures
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Above content added by Bob K 01/03/15

Hi Sausage Makers! Have you tried...

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Fermento, sometimes sold as a starter culture adds an acidic tang to sausages. And I believe was popularized by Rytek in Great Sausage Recipes

You can also use encapsulated citric acid

Or GDL

All are substitutes for flavor only and are mostly used in cooked products.
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Project "P" (Pepperoni)

Last post by redzed « Wed Dec 13, 2017 04:23
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by Rand » Sat Jun 04, 2011 18:32
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I have had some pepperoni drying now for 5 weeks and it seems to be slow in harding. Any suggestions?

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Phosphates do considerably more than soy or milkvbase binders/extenders. I am not a fan of them because one of the reasons that we make our own products is to avoid all the chemicals that are used in commercial products, mainly to increase the profit margin and extend shelf life. If you can learn...
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Why We Use Nitrites/Nitrate Cures and Starter Cultures

Last post by Doc Barrington « Fri Nov 28, 2014 04:29
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by oneills » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:00
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Spent the last 4 days killing , butchering and preparation. Today was salami making day. With the help of my partners Italian boss we mixed all the ingredients together this morning. Left it to rest until this afternoon and with the help of a couple of others stuffed into casings and covered with...

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Hi Jan and Igor,
yes Jan if I remember correctly Vic did work for his Father in Law then took over the dealership and brought their Son in as Parts Manager grooming him to take the reigns. I really liked Vic not sure if he is still around he must be getting on. He was a lovable rogue that loved a...
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Project "A"

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Project A - Dry Cured, Fermented, Salami
6/15/11 - 9/15/11

Project A was named for Salame di Alessandra. This sausage is also known as Genoa Salami. In June 2011, nine WD members decided to undertake this 3-month, dry-cured salami project together while keeping accurate notes for comparison and...

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Hi fellow project A pals,
Well, it has been a year since we all ground, stuffed, and started Project A . I am about to lock the topic to further comment. Due to the high number of views this project has invited, I'll leave it in the sticky section open to reading for all interested viewers....
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:12
difficulty getting mold to grow

Last post by Albertaed « Fri Jun 11, 2021 23:24
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by Lorenzoid » Mon Jun 07, 2021 16:50

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These are my very first efforts at dry curing. I cured my first few coppe without mold to establish a baseline of what to expect. The results were fine. Now I am trying the same recipes except that I want to see what effect mold might have on flavor and texture.

I prepared the mold by adding...

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Good point. I’m not a fan of mold on coppa so I give it a little smoke to keep it off.

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 23:24
Making Pizza Pepperoni-Cups In Taiwan

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Thu May 27, 2021 02:14
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by fongnam1016 » Tue May 25, 2021 17:35

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Hi All!

New here and new to fermenting sausages. Thought I'd share my process here to hopefully get some feedback from you guys! Long post ahead...

I'm currently working on opening up a New York Style pizza shop in Taiwan. I've been making, selling, and experimenting out of my friend's bakery,...

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Sounds like you're on a good track to success. Keep us appraised of your progress.
Stay safe - Xi Jinping may be coming for a visit soon.

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Thu May 27, 2021 02:14
Making Salami in Thailand

Last post by redzed « Mon May 24, 2021 16:52
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by Doc Barrington » Tue Oct 28, 2014 04:20
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Hi everyone,
a great topic and interesting information. I am a retired Australian living in Thailand on the beautiful Island of Phuket where I have lived for the past 5 years. With the warm weather and high humidity it is going to be a challenge to make Fermented Salami, but I have made plenty of...

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When fermenting, it's the temperature which determines the speed of the the fermentation and the amount of carbohydrate drives the the pH drop and acid. A slightly lower pH is also attained when the fermentation temp is higher. Although designed to ferment slower and at a lower temp, you can...
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Mon May 24, 2021 16:52
Put a coppa in the fridge for curing

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Sat May 22, 2021 21:39
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by kaizmoto1489 » Mon May 10, 2021 04:17

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Hi,
I've just put a coppa in the fridge for curing. I followed the recipe for the cure mix ALMOST to the letter. Except the bit I didn't read correctly. Which was to put half the cure on, seal in bag and then apply the second half after 5 days or so. I put all the cure mix in by mistake.
Does it...

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I've done 2 Coppa and added all the cure at once on both. They turned out fine.

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Sat May 22, 2021 21:39
Could different acidity level slow down the drying speed?

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Sat May 22, 2021 19:20
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by wasuky » Wed May 12, 2021 16:24

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So, here's the thing. My last batch of salami turned out great in flavor but poor in texture as it was kinda crumbly and imposible to cut it in thin slides.

I basically cured the lean meat for 2 days with 28gr/kg sal and 2,5gr/kg cure#2,
ground it and mix it with the starter, 5gr/kg sugar and...

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light on curing sausages also increases the rate that the fat goes rancid.

I've never had an issue of fat weeping out of a casing during a ferment but I believe it is not uncommon. Surely someone with more experience knows the answer to that question. The only other thing I would suggest is that...

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Sat May 22, 2021 19:20
collagen casings vs. collagen sheets?

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Thu May 20, 2021 07:10
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by Lorenzoid » Tue May 11, 2021 16:51

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For my first experiments with my new chamber I cased a coppa in a beef bung I had in the fridge (left from a haggis experiment a few years ago). Wanting to make some more, I noticed how expensive they are when I went to place an order. I bought another beef bung but also bought some 100mm collagen...

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I have never tried them them so I don't know. Redzed has used them a lot for larger cuts of dry cured product so I am sure he can add to this.

Actually I don't use collagen sheets, but rather pasted (or laminated) hog sheets. These are made from pieces of hog casings and dried.

They work...

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Thu May 20, 2021 07:10
Umai bags

Last post by redzed « Mon May 17, 2021 16:40
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by Albertaed » Sat May 15, 2021 22:51

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So my fridge can’t keep up with the heat we are having. The temp is creeping up to close to 60F. I normally like it at 52-54F. I do have some umai bags I’ve never tried so I’m wondering anybody has put half dried salami into umai bags and then inti your regular fridge? Some have surface mold but...

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I don't think the Umai bags will work at this stage, since they are designed so that the meat adheres to the synthetic casing. If the salami is already half way dried a temp of 60F should be OK with an RH of 75. Just don't put in any product in there.

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Mon May 17, 2021 16:40
Hungarian salami

Last post by redzed « Mon May 17, 2021 16:00
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by Albertaed » Wed Apr 28, 2021 22:30

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Well my Hungarian Salami is coming out of curing chamber. I used 2g/1000 of dextrose (that amount worked the last time I made it) but couldnt’t get the final PH below 5.3. I can live with that I suppose. I keep telling myself to measure the initial Ph and add dextrose accordingly but never seem to...

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I'm wondering if anyone can offer advice about how to measure ph in salami that is drying...? I have an electronic Hanna Instruments meat ph tester. I had no trouble measuring the ph before putting the meat into the casings. But I am unsure how to measure the ph now that the salamis are drying. Do...

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Mon May 17, 2021 16:00
Sausages drying faster than others

Last post by Indaswamp « Wed May 12, 2021 16:06
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by wasuky » Wed Mar 31, 2021 14:37

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Hi guys. Just wanted to ask you... Have you ever noticed sausages of the same batch drying faster than others?

I made 2 small batches of Spanish chorizo and salami (1kg each), made links of 8cm and put them in the chamber at 13-14°C and 75% RH and noticed that the sausages hanging lower are drying...

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A practical solution will be to put the humidifier in the upper part of the fridge. You can also manage the humidity by simply rotating the dry cured

This worked as a charm in my last batch of 4kg of salami so I'm keeping this setup. No need to rotate the sausages so far as they are not that...

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Wed May 12, 2021 16:06
Göttinger Stracke

Last post by Albertaed « Fri May 07, 2021 05:27
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by Albertaed » Thu May 06, 2021 14:06

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Well I just pulled out this German salami. It is well made but I went against my gut and followed meatsandsausages recipe to the tee. It called for 2.8% salt and .3% cure. For me it’s on the salty side for sure. I will make it again but dial the salt down to 2.5% and .25% respectively.

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Göttinger Stracke is an interesting German salami. Here is the info from the EU PGI Designation

Thanks for the info.

It’s always interesting when you go in blind to a new salami. Having never tasted before it ended up not quite what I expected , however, after a few more tastes my wife and I...

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Fri May 07, 2021 05:27
Beef Heart Salami?

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Tue May 04, 2021 21:41
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by Mmmm Meat » Wed Apr 28, 2021 06:43

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I've been pondering using beef heart plus pork back fat to make a salami. Even though I find heart meat to be fairly gamey, it seems like dry curing it might make it milder, though I'm hesitant to pursue it without asking for guidance first. Does anybody have experience with this mix?
Thanks!

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Thanks. That's what I was thinking as well I just wondered how much that gaminess would carry through to the final product. Hard to beat the price though - it's about a buck a pound here. The only cheaper way to get red meat is to go hunting. (and hunting isn't cheap when you factor in all the gear...

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Tue May 04, 2021 21:41
Curing Guanciale with sweetbreads attached?

Last post by Scogar « Mon May 03, 2021 14:30
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by so_not_rad » Sat May 01, 2021 07:56

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So here is something that i've been wondering about for a long time.
When I buy jowl cheek from my butcher, it always has a bit of the glands and sweetbreads attached. I always trim the outside parts of the glands but sometimes inside the layer of fat theres more of them. From looking at pictures...

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Can you get at all of them without tearing the jowl all up? The small ones peppered throughout that middle layer may take a bit of digging around

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Mon May 03, 2021 14:30
Salame Calabrese

Last post by bluc « Fri Apr 30, 2021 08:03
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by redzed » Sat Nov 12, 2016 05:39
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Salame Calabrese
Recipe for 1kg of meat

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820g class I pork, no fat or connective tissue
180g hard back fat

Ingredients
22.5g salt
2.5g Cure#2
2g garlic
2g white pepper
2g anise
2g sweet Hungarian paprika
3g Calabrian peppers
3g dextrose
25 ml red wine
0.5 sodium erythorbate
B-LC-007...

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Oh ok.
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Last post by bluc
Fri Apr 30, 2021 08:03
Cacciatorre Sticks

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Mon Apr 26, 2021 06:54
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by Albertaed » Sat Feb 27, 2021 20:21

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I used Marianski's recipe to make these sticks out of hog casings. Nice and firm with no case hardening and decent color. Tasty little critters!

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Thanks!

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Mon Apr 26, 2021 06:54
Starting fermentation whilst salami is drying

Last post by Leesel « Sat Apr 24, 2021 17:24
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by Leesel » Sat Apr 24, 2021 08:08

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Hey All,

I wanted to get some more salami going in my chamber this weekend. I only have one chamber which I use for both fermentation and drying, in time I hope to have one for each or at least two so I can juggle things about. Currently there is a coppa, a pancetta, some guanciale and some...

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I don't have 2 chambers either. I have had good success doing my fermenting in a plastic tote with lid, like rubber made brand totes, in a warm spot. I put the salami in a clear plastic bag in the tote as this keeps the humidity up. Depending on our weather at the time I leave the tote in a warm...

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Sat Apr 24, 2021 17:24
Why add cure/spice mixture in stages?

Last post by Mmmm Meat « Fri Apr 23, 2021 16:50
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by Lorenzoid » Mon Apr 19, 2021 16:52

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In curing whole-muscle cuts, I noticed that some recipes (e.g., the coppa and bresaola recipes on meatsandsausages.com) call for adding half the cure/spice mixture at the beginning of curing period, and then adding the other half roughly mid-way through the curing period. In that Italian
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This is my first post on this forum. I've got to start somewhere...

I think you're probably right on commercial production using multiple stages. Here's a discussion that uses the multi-stage process. It states the reason to do it this way is to ensure the meat has a constant supply of salt....

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Fri Apr 23, 2021 16:50
Cure #2 with different percent of sodium nitrate

Last post by redzed « Tue Apr 20, 2021 16:57
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by Winterchrome » Mon Dec 09, 2019 04:45

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Hello, I am new to this forum and dry curing. I am have enjoyed reading this forum to learn about the process. I have made bacon and pancetta in the past and now have my first coppa drying in Umai bags in the fridge. My question concerns cure #2. I have 2 different cure #2s, one contains 1% sodium...

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Yes 5g/kg of nitrite works out to 312ppm and double the recommended USDA amount. The Sausagemaker Cure 2 formulation has only only 1% nitrate and that amount works out to 52ppm, quite negligible when the USDA limit is 1718. The amount of the Cure #2 in the recipe is obviously an error. However, I...

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Tue Apr 20, 2021 16:57
Finding Starter cultures in Australia

Last post by Bob K « Tue Apr 13, 2021 13:06
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by bluc » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:51

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Anyone have good suppliers in Australia For starter ciltures? Having a hard time finding anthing that is mentioned here.

Is f1 suitable for small diameter american pepperoni?

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You can try checking here: or here:

Is f1 suitable for small diameter american pepperoni?

Yes, it is a fast fermenting culture and can be used interchangeably in recipes calling for F-LC or LHP

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Tue Apr 13, 2021 13:06
How Capocollo Is Made In Italy

Last post by Lorenzoid « Wed Apr 07, 2021 17:58
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by redzed » Fri Apr 02, 2021 08:12

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Well it looks like we've been doing it wrong all this time. :? :shock:

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They had me at acorn-fed hogs.

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Wed Apr 07, 2021 17:58
Very low ph sobrasada after 2 days using t-spx

Last post by redzed « Sat Mar 20, 2021 09:08
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by Jgreen » Wed Feb 24, 2021 03:59
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Hi,

I recently made a 1kg batch of sobrasada(Spanish nduja) with around 1/2 a teaspoon of t-spx, 3 grams dextrose, and 3 grams sugar.

It has been fermenting at around 72 degrees for 48 hours, and I just took a ph reading with my apera ph60. I'm fairly new to salami making and this was my first...

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There's excellent advice on using pepper pastes and paprika when you click on those links to the CBP.
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Sat Mar 20, 2021 09:08
Salami Vicentina

Last post by Indaswamp « Tue Mar 16, 2021 01:54
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by Indaswamp » Mon Mar 08, 2021 04:09
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I used both Marianski's and Len Poli's recipes along with the PDO regulations for Vicentina, which hails from the Veneto province in Northeastern Italy along the Po river. This salami has the fat finely ground with the lean a little larger. It is very thoroughly mixed, and upon drying it is much...

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So an update... I found why my pH readings were off. It was operator error as I was forgetting a step during calibration. After settling to the correct pH while calibrating with my Milwaukee 102, I was not pressing the CFM button to lock it in. I went through and rechecked the pH on some of my...
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 01:54
Salame Calabrese with Cannabis

Last post by magician176 « Tue Mar 16, 2021 00:19
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by redzed » Sat Mar 13, 2021 20:51

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Salame Calabrese with Cannabis

Over the past few years I've been making marijuana infused salami and usually have some on hand. Five years ago, I described some of my earlier efforts in this thread It's always a hit at gatherings and since we might once again be able to serve charcuterie to our...

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Cannabis salami....

I have seen it all now...LOL! Never in a million years would I have thought to make that one. I don't partake...but I'm not judging....

Yeah, never thought of somebody going to such an extreme! :D

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Tue Mar 16, 2021 00:19
Göttinger Stracke PH

Last post by Albertaed « Thu Mar 11, 2021 14:43
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by Albertaed » Mon Mar 08, 2021 01:08

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I have Marianski’s Göttinger Stracke fermenting in the chamber.

3.15kgs pork butt
2kgs class 2 pork
Lean/fat 70/30

144g fine sea salt 2.8%
15.5g cure#2 .3%
26g dextrose
.62g TSP X

Fermenting at 69F 85% RH

It’s been in there for 2.5 days and still have a PH of 5.6?
Cure and salt might be a tad...

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I turns out my Auberin temp/humidity controller head crapped out so I was fermenting probably in mid to high fifties. I changed the head and brought the temp to 70F and 90% humidity for 2 more days. In total it took 5 days to reach a PH of 5.2. I was hoping for closer to 5.0 so I’ll go with 6-7g of...

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Thu Mar 11, 2021 14:43
Sicilian Pistachio and Lemon Salami

Last post by Indaswamp « Tue Mar 09, 2021 19:45
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by Indaswamp » Mon Mar 08, 2021 23:31

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When I first started gearing up to make salami a year ago, I was at my local butcher shop buying a pig head and pork skin for a run of boudin and started talking to the head butcher about salami making. He was enthusiastic about my endeavor and offered me Olympic Provisions recipe book to look...

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Yes redzed, this is the salami I posted about concerned about the pH that didn't drop far enough because I transferred to chamber prematurely.
The test piece was a smaller dia. and fermented faster.

Lesson learned.

I did probe on chub to track and the lowest pH I got was 5.45....

Could have...

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Tue Mar 09, 2021 19:45
Starter Cultures and Deionised water

Last post by Leesel « Sat Mar 06, 2021 21:37
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by Leesel » Sat Mar 06, 2021 20:00

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Hi All,

Does anyone know if I can used deionised water instead of distilled water when waking up starter cultures. It’s vastly cheaper and according to what I’ve read seems like it would work and the only difference seems to be the process of purification.
Thanks
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The microbes need the ions in the water for proper osmotic pressure...at least that is what I have read....

I’ll stick with distilled then thanks

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Sat Mar 06, 2021 21:37
Salccicia Napolitana Dolce

Last post by Indaswamp « Fri Mar 05, 2021 03:43
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by Indaswamp » Thu Mar 04, 2021 07:29

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I have been making a lot of salami lately. Had a lot of product ready in the last two weeks. This is one of the salamis that finished.

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Salccicia Napolitana Dolce

Lean Pork 760g.
Back Fat 240g.

Sea Salt 25g.
Cure #2 3g. (might could use #1 but I did use 42mm hog...

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Thanks guys, I am pleased with how it turned out. I've only been making salami for about a year now. Still making minor errors, but my salamis are curing properly and I'm getting better at the process. The pistachio and Lemon I was concerned about came out excellent! As did the finocchiona... just...

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Fri Mar 05, 2021 03:43
Pancetta Update

Last post by Albertaed « Wed Mar 03, 2021 23:20
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by Scogar » Wed Feb 24, 2021 17:49

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This conversation started with Albertaed asking about Drying in the Basement with No Chamber but rather than continue to highjack that thread I'll start a new one. Today the pancetta has aged/dried for three weeks. Here is the data
Timing Weight % Loss
Week-0 2865g 0.00%
Week-1 2478g 13.5%
Week-2...

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Looks good Scogar. I’m going to have to give it a go one of these days

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Last post by Albertaed
Wed Mar 03, 2021 23:20
Sopressata

Last post by redzed « Sun Feb 28, 2021 03:59
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by Albertaed » Thu Feb 25, 2021 01:37

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Quote South Pass Sopressata
(Dry-Cured Spicy Pork Salami)

4 kg. (8.8 lbs.) Pork Butt
1 kg. (2.2 lbs.) Pork Back Fat
140 g. (7 tblspns.) Salt
12 gr. (2 level teaspoons) Prague Powder Cure #2
(Do NOT use Cure #1 in this recipe)
10 gr. ( 4 tspns.) Powdered Dextrose
15 gr. (2 tblspns.) Black...

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Hi Ed, I know that most references to sugar are to table sugar which is actually sucrose, AKA saccharose. But glucose (in the form of dextrose),maltose, fructose, and lactose are also sugars . That is why I referenced them as sugars in the plural. When it comes to fermenting, the amount of...

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Sun Feb 28, 2021 03:59
Curing Process Observations & Questions

Last post by StefanS « Thu Feb 25, 2021 22:28
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by dae » Wed Feb 24, 2021 13:44

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My name is Doug.

My family has been SUCCESSFULLY making Italian (Calabrese) Sopresatta for 20 years.

However.... The last 5 years the 90 year old Italian gentlmen who managed our entire *CURING* process in his little shed is a wee bit not in the greatest condition to continue this great...

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Welcome to the forum. I too love data- I come from a family of engineers.
Ideal temperature is 53-59*F.
For controlled drying humidity should lag sausage Aw by 0.2 - 0.5, 0.3 being average.

When you add 2.5% salt to the meat, the Aw drops to about 0.97... this is the starting Aw. When the salami...

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Thu Feb 25, 2021 22:28
Saucisson d'Ardenne

Last post by Albertaed « Thu Feb 25, 2021 01:36
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by redzed » Sun Feb 21, 2021 20:12
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Saucisson d'Ardenne

This is a traditional Belgian smoked and fermented sausage that's on the EU list of PGI European certificates of origin. Mild and gently seasoned, it's great if you like the smoke flavour in dry cured sausages. The saucisson I made is made with pork only, but some variations...

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South Pass Sopressata
(Dry-Cured Spicy Pork Salami)

4 kg. (8.8 lbs.) Pork Butt
1 kg. (2.2 lbs.) Pork Back Fat
140 g. (7 tblspns.) Salt
12 gr. (2 level teaspoons) Prague Powder Cure #2
(Do NOT use Cure #1 in this recipe)
10 gr. ( 4 tspns.) Powdered Dextrose
15 gr. (2 tblspns.) Black...
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Last post by Albertaed
Thu Feb 25, 2021 01:36
Salami Finocchiona

Last post by fatboyz « Mon Feb 22, 2021 01:31
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by fatboyz » Mon Feb 15, 2021 01:14

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This salami is basically Genoa with whole Fennel seeds. I made this at Christmas and one was ready today (35% loss). Just in time for homemade pizza in the wood fired Pizza oven for Valentines dinner. Still -20 out so the oven takes a little longer to get up to temperatire.

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Hey Don that salami does look good and such even drying? What are you using for a curing chamber these days?

Chris I still have my little milk dispenser fridge I use for my chamber. For this batch the key is the cold weather! I keep my outside sausage shed temperature at 12C. I have my sausage...

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Mon Feb 22, 2021 01:31
German Salami

Last post by fatboyz « Mon Feb 22, 2021 01:26
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by redzed » Sat Feb 13, 2021 22:07

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German Salami

This is my take on a German style salami. The sausage was fermented, smoked and dried for 5 weeks. Spices and amounts were similar to those in Marianski's recipe for GreuBener salami. I wanted a tang in this sausage and with the addition of 8g/kg of dextrose, and I sure got one. I...

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Red that was my thoughts too. I was thinking of using 5g. In this recipe they smoke it to 140 then hang for a few days? my thoughts were actually to take it to 140 in the smoker then let it dry for a few weeks?
Thoughts?

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Mon Feb 22, 2021 01:26
Expected weight loss for fatty cuts?

Last post by rgreenberg2000 « Sun Feb 21, 2021 20:11
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by rgreenberg2000 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 19:01

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Looking for some insight from the experts. I've got a Lomo and Pancetta that have been in the drying/curing chamber for almost three months. Both of these cuts have significantly higher fat content than the Coppa that I did, and I took those to 35% and 42% weight loss respectively.

I think that I...

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Thanks, Red. Neither of these was frozen, and my weight loss calcs are based on pre-cure weights. I'll probably trim a bit off the pancetta at 25% to see if I like where it's at, and just go by firmness of the lean portion of the Lomo for that one.

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Sun Feb 21, 2021 20:11
First Coppa

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by rgreenberg2000 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 22:40
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After a 7 day cure, I've got my first Coppa hanging in the cave . I am using the recipe that's over on Taste of Artisan (Victor, I think?), though I decided to give it a coat of paprika before casing it, just for some color. This is the first time that I've seen a beef bung, let alone stuffed one,...

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Lorenzoid...Star Provisions? If so did they shut down?

I replied by PM so as not to sully rgreenberg's thread. :)
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 23:28
Advice on patience please!

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by maloflora » Mon Jan 18, 2021 19:55

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Hi all,

First post - please forgive my beginner status! I've just recently got into dry curing and love it. I've made bacon, and salami so far using so much of the good advice on these and other boards. They seem to have worked well. But I've run into uncertainty on my latest.

I recently made...

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Bit of an update. I waited until 70% and then decided to cut into one of the chorizo. Here's what it looked like - smelled great.

I can't see a lot of case hardening?

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 14:45
Types of culture

Last post by redzed « Wed Feb 03, 2021 17:51
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by jjnurk » Tue Sep 15, 2020 19:33

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I'm wanting to make a German style salami, ferment for a couple days to get the tanginess, smoke then dry. I was going to use bactoferm LHP DRY, however I need to purchase a large quantity for lots of $$$. So I was looking at other options however I don't really know anything about this. I read the...

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I'm not sure what you mean by surface inoculation, as with a whole muscle, I'm not sure what else I could do

I was referring here only to B-LC-78, which contains lactic and staph bacteria, yet is recommended for whole muscle cuts. In commercial applications the bacteria is injected into the meat...

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Wed Feb 03, 2021 17:51
First time Kabanos! Need Some Advice

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by so_not_rad » Thu Jan 28, 2021 06:16

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Hello all!
I've been living away from Poland for about 17 years now, and I've very much missed Kabanosy.
I've been quite successful with making Kielbasa, but the little glorious sticks of meat have been haunting my dreams.
So i based myself on the meat and sausages website and this is my recipe:...

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I agree with DanMcG, analog thermometers are notoriously inaccurate, sometimes off by +-25*F. I would recommend a digital thermometer with probes.

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Wed Feb 03, 2021 15:50
Curing Powder#2 Subsitute for slow ferment

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by Fatdog » Thu Jan 14, 2021 15:56

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Hi

Well - I have just joined the forum and this is my first post! I have however spent the last couple weeks browsing the forum and it really is excellent, so Im glad to be part :)

I live in Singapore and been making wet sausages for over 10years. We actually have a small group of home sausage...

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Thanks Redzed and other people who have commented. Apologies for late reply. After much angst I managed to get cure#2 - so I will stick with this for now! I will make my first cured sausage this Saturday. Has been a fascinating journey reading all about it (and indeed I read the entire string on...

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Wed Feb 03, 2021 15:07
Drying in basement no chamber

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by Albertaed » Sat Dec 19, 2020 17:38
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I have a fridge drying chamber already in use so I’m going to give the basement a go. I have setup a small area where I can control the humidity with a humidifier but the temp is only controlled by opening and closing a window. Temp control usually isn’t an issue because it gets to be -20C in the...

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Thanks for posting StefanS. I understand the concept of water activity, but your post was very helpful.
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Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:19
Surface cultures

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by Albertaed » Tue Feb 02, 2021 03:27

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Up until now I have been using Mondostart surface (which grows like wildfire) but I’m finding it to be too moldy tasting/smelling. Does anybody know how mondostart surface compares to bactoferm’s (or any other brand) various cultures? I’m looking for something more toward a neutral flavour/smell....

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I made a few batches of sauscion sec, cacciatore and ländjager in hog casings to see what would happen as far as taste and drying time is concerned. I’m not going to that as it really isn’t the same. I don’t need to add surface mold because it just jumps to the new additions. But now I’m wondering...

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Tue Feb 02, 2021 15:16
Spanish Salchicon fermentaion pH too high. Need advice

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by ronbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 20:13

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Hi All,
Im having trouble getting the final fermentation pH of some Spanish Salchichon down to below 5.3. The pH has stalled at 5.6 after 74 hours. Im concerned about the safety of this and wondering about how to proceed and humbly asking for guidance. Im pretty much stumped at this point. Any...

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Thanks for the comments and the suggestion of stuffing the casings more tightly.

While they did fill out pretty well and I didnt notice any air gaps, I did have a difficult time filling them. Its the first time I had used the 50mm casing. I was using a 1 inch dia stuffing tube, which is the...

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Tue Feb 02, 2021 02:03
Genoa Salami

Last post by Albertaed « Sat Jan 30, 2021 18:26
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by Albertaed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 17:36

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This is a American style Genoa Salami for Len poli.

Pork Shoulder 75%
Pork Back fat 25%
Salt 1.8%
Red Wine 1.2%
Dextrose 0.38%
White Pepper 0.3%
Cure #2 0.29%
Garlic Powder 0.25%

Mondostart 0.06%

Fermented at 85F 90%RH
Dried at 54F 80%RH to 20% weight loss

What is a decent PH for this 4.9ish?...

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It really is!

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Sat Jan 30, 2021 18:26
Curing times?

Last post by redzed « Thu Jan 28, 2021 04:50
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by Jimtillo » Wed Jan 27, 2021 23:59

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Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum and I'm so glad I've found it, it seems to be such a font of knowledge.

I've been making cured meats and salami for a year or so now, and have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find a solid answer to, sorry if its been answered on here before, but here...

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James, the easiest and best way to cure is to use the equilibrium method. That way we can be sure that we don't oversalt and have a lot more flexibility as to the curing time. In the EQ method, because we use so much less salt than in the conventional salt box method, the curing time is longer....

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Thu Jan 28, 2021 04:50
copa humidity & temperature questions

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by frankie007 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 17:04

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Hello all,
I have been smoking meat and making simple sausages for years. This year I brined a pork collar to make coppa for the first time. I know optimal conditions for it to work but could not achieve them as I do not have any special equipment.
Basically after brining I washed the coppa with...

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Thank you redzed, much appreciated!

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Wed Jan 27, 2021 19:29
Ph Question

Last post by Indaswamp « Wed Jan 27, 2021 01:23
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by Loco » Sun Jan 24, 2021 20:05

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I was just wondering about the ph level, if you leave sausage in fermenting chamber will the ph just continue to drop for as long as itl is is thereor does it stop at some point? how low could it go if lets just say you had 1% dextrose in the mince?
just something i was thinking about, figure...

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Very good info! Thanks for posting!

So if I wanted to make a Southern European Slow fermented salami, what combination of sugars would you recommend? And percentage of each? Dextrose and maltoderxtrin?

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Wed Jan 27, 2021 01:23
Coating my finished Saucisson

Last post by so_not_rad « Tue Jan 26, 2021 06:45
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by so_not_rad » Fri Jan 22, 2021 08:05

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Hello everyone,
I've recently made quite a big batch of saucisson cause I had the extra time. Its been cured for about 4 weeks, its all nice and packed in vacuum bags and resting for whenever i have parties at home and want to show off my skills :D .
Im having an issue when i take them out of the...

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thanks so much for the responses guys!
will try to do so.

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Tue Jan 26, 2021 06:45
Lomo Embuchado in the cure

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by rgreenberg2000 » Fri Dec 04, 2020 22:48

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Now that I have my Coppa going, and I feel like my curing chamber is pretty dialed in, I wanted to get a Lomo Embuchado going as well. I have a local butcher who breaks down whole Kurobota pigs, so I asked him to trim out a loin for me with about 1/2 of fat still on it. Picked that up at lunch...

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Hey, all. This project is still ongoing (15% loss after 5 weeks), but I had a question..... Since this has a decent fat cap, is my target weight loss still 35-40%, or does that change with more fat?

I expected the weight loss to be slower due to the fat, so not concerned that it'll get there...

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Mon Jan 25, 2021 23:36

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